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Posted by sigismund on December 22, 2020, at 12:37:26
In reply to Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by jay2112 on December 21, 2020, at 22:02:06
>Plus, I tried Suboxone and Methadone (a powerful NMDA antagonist) which just made me feel more dissociation..bad. Lower doses seemed ok, but they always want to crank up my dose!! Should I just tell them, "..please leave me on a lower dose..I feel better"?
Yes.
They don't listen because of the assumption that you want a lower dose so you can enjoy street opiates.
Posted by jay2112 on December 22, 2020, at 12:43:41
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by sigismund on December 22, 2020, at 12:37:26
> >Plus, I tried Suboxone and Methadone (a powerful NMDA antagonist) which just made me feel more dissociation..bad. Lower doses seemed ok, but they always want to crank up my dose!! Should I just tell them, "..please leave me on a lower dose..I feel better"?
>
> Yes.
>
> They don't listen because of the assumption that you want a lower dose so you can enjoy street opiates.There, that is so true! But, they get a urine test everytime one goes to the clinic. I have tried 5 times, and they are alway's like.."..what's YOUR problem??". I want to go again, today or tomorrow, before Xmas and our Covid lockdown...I am scared to even ask.
Jay
Posted by jay2112 on December 22, 2020, at 13:00:00
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » sigismund, posted by jay2112 on December 22, 2020, at 12:43:41
Just tried to call the rehab clinic, and was told "..We are closed until next year. Sorry." F*** sakes!!! They told me "Go to emerg department at hospital." DAMN! Today is my birthday....and no one gives a f***. Merry ****ing Xmas... :(
Posted by jay2112 on December 22, 2020, at 16:13:37
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by undopaminergic on December 22, 2020, at 0:59:10
> > Hey guys..
> >
> > Do you have problems with dissociation? I have been searching high and low for problems with this. I feel like I am lost in a world, and on some type of anesthetic.
> >
>
> Yes, I have depersonalisation, derealisation, and multiple personalities. I don't know what to do about it, but I'm used to it.
>
> -undopaminergic
>Now, you are not on any meds, right? Well, like Dr Peter Kramer explained well, there are side effects of meds, and of not taking them. Have you been able to get any talk therapy/Psychotherapy?
How is your support system?How are you living with DID? Does it cause any stress or discomfort? I have a friend who is learning specifically about how to, not "treat"...I think it is only a "disorder" if it causes stress or challenges in your life...but work with people who have DID. There are so many silly, and hurtful, myths about it.
I have, at times, found serotogenic meds, at high doses, helps produce a bit more endogenous serotonin, which activates a bit of cholinergic activity...which, in small doses, can have antidepressant properties.
Jay
Posted by sigismund on December 22, 2020, at 19:47:51
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » sigismund, posted by jay2112 on December 22, 2020, at 12:43:41
And if you are on a higher dose they can always threaten you with a harsh reduction, or restrict takeaways, so you can't function or travel normally.
I ended up thinking I would rather sleep under a bridge than be treated like that.
So, you are saying they want to raise your dose?
Posted by sigismund on December 22, 2020, at 19:50:37
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by sigismund on December 22, 2020, at 19:47:51
Still, not so bad as Russia. I heard about an admiral with cancer who needed a narcotic. For which 3 doctors' signatures are needed. It took so long to organise the third that he shot himself in the head.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 22, 2020, at 20:02:57
In reply to Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by jay2112 on December 21, 2020, at 22:02:06
the best thing i recommend for dissociation is a benzo, perferable one that is not as potent. Bromazepam can make dissociation a bit worse. It depends on benzo.
I had disscoiation about 16 years ago in high school, it was even posted here on babble, i was in a dream everywhere i went...it was a dream reality stopped being sharp and stable. It was because of severe stress with school and adderall.
You could look into a beta blocker to stop noradrenaline activty
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 22, 2020, at 20:08:32
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 22, 2020, at 20:02:57
we'll im reading mixed reviews of using benzos for PTSD, i googed it researched a bit....said its not the best for PTSD. I'm really tired right now, someting happened at home ill have to get into later....
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 22, 2020, at 23:15:16
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 22, 2020, at 20:08:32
yeah benzos excaserbate dissociation, only thing i researched was antidepressants and antipsychotics, thats the most general term there is....they didnt have any certain meds
only thing i can say enducated guess to help bring back to reality, like provigil or something.
yes prozac at 80mg makes me sleep soothing because of the serotonin feeling. It's the least selective SSRI, which means it is more broader in reptake sites, unlike paxil and celexa which are very selective on serotonin sites
Posted by undopaminergic on December 23, 2020, at 2:25:10
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » undopaminergic, posted by jay2112 on December 22, 2020, at 16:13:37
>
> Now, you are not on any meds, right? Well,
>Yes I am.
> like Dr Peter Kramer explained well, there are side effects of meds, and of not taking them. Have you been able to get any talk therapy/Psychotherapy?
>Not much.
> How is your support system?
>My parents are alive, and I have a brother. They're not usually involved with anything to do with my disorders.
> How are you living with DID? Does it cause any stress or discomfort?
>No, unless you consider the depersonalisation-derealisation to be part of DID.
> I have a friend who is learning specifically about how to, not "treat"...I think it is only a "disorder" if it causes stress or challenges in your life...but work with people who have DID. There are so many silly, and hurtful, myths about it.
>Yes, like the myth that it doesn't exist.
> I have, at times, found serotogenic meds, at high doses, helps produce a bit more endogenous serotonin, which activates a bit of cholinergic activity...which, in small doses, can have antidepressant properties.
>I don't know about that. Maybe. But not if you're already hypercholinergic. I think I am.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by undopaminergic on December 23, 2020, at 2:25:10
Yeah I can't really contribute anything useful here. When I am under great distress, I usually pray. God is a great listener.
Somehow this board has gone from Antidepressants to controlled substances
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:53:22
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
Can't help you with those. I avoid them.
Posted by undopaminergic on December 23, 2020, at 7:20:51
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
> Yeah I can't really contribute anything useful here. When I am under great distress, I usually pray. God is a great listener.
>In my experience, yes, I do feel God is always listening, but he seems to be roused into action in my life only when I'm feeling good already, and not when I am down and really *need* his help. It seems to me that he's a fun-loving sort of a guy.
One prank he pulled on me was to make me lose my iPod, and then give it back -- I dropped it outdoors and couldn't find it, but later it was in a cabinet indoors as if it had never been gone at all. I'm sure skeptics would say I dreamt or hallucinated the loss. I guess that is a possibility I can't dismiss, but does that matter? In either case, I experienced it all the same, and it seemed every bit as real as sitting here now writing this. If it wasn't an example of God's work, it was an example of the immense, god-like, powers of the mind, to be able to play such as trick on me!
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 13:47:01
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by undopaminergic on December 23, 2020, at 7:20:51
Hmm, I pray in bad times and later when my life is fine again I realize, that this "guy" doesn't let me down at least not in the long haul. So then I feel the praying helped. Sometimes we need to learn tough lessons. I trust that "he" will make the right choices for everyone involved.
Posted by Hugh on December 24, 2020, at 15:34:45
In reply to Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by jay2112 on December 21, 2020, at 22:02:06
The beta-blocker pindolol is showing promise as a treatment for alcohol addiction, and for depression and anxiety. It hasn't been tested as a treatment for other addictions, but it might be worth a try. The dose usually used is 7.5 mg once per day.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-blood-pressure-drug-problem-drinkers.html
A thread about pindolol:
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 24, 2020, at 22:30:45
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by Hugh on December 24, 2020, at 15:34:45
Jay
Naltrexone is a good med for keeping you sober. They used it alot with addiction cases. You probaly may of heard of it. May just ask about it. Use disapline and resist and block urges to take oxy's.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2020, at 13:01:57
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 24, 2020, at 22:30:45
i didnt mean that in insulting way, it sounded like it. Just look up naltrexone, just read on it ... that's all. I didnt mean that to be insulting
Posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 0:55:49
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by sigismund on December 22, 2020, at 19:47:51
Well, once I was on a high dose of Cymbalta (major norepinephrine agonist) and Wellbutrin (nor-dopamine agonist) both first thing in the morning (I need VERY high doses..I was on 120mg of Cymbalta!!) and it would push me through the day...but like a maniac!!..lol)...THEN at about 9pm, I would pop 35mg of the most potent SRI, Lexapro/Cipralex. 35 f'in mg's!!! It made me bathe in such a calm, relaxing high.....I would put on Madonna's Ray of Light disc, and cry for a bit....feel like I was in a beautiful trance...resolve some of my past trauma issues.
So, I am currently trying a high dose of Anafranil, a medium dose of Effexor, to get to that Serotonin high...where it starts to affect Oxytocin, the Love chemical. It worked in the past with high dose Prozac (120mg) and Nortriptyline (75 mg). I use(d) low dose Risperdal to kill the SRI 5-ht agonism..which is the 'irritable' serotonin receptor.
I figure, if I am going to try all this stuff, I am going to (safely) max the hell out of these drugs! Anyhow, just IMHO...YMMV, etc...
Jay
Posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 0:59:02
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by Hugh on December 24, 2020, at 15:34:45
> The beta-blocker pindolol is showing promise as a treatment for alcohol addiction, and for depression and anxiety. It hasn't been tested as a treatment for other addictions, but it might be worth a try. The dose usually used is 7.5 mg once per day.
>
> https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-blood-pressure-drug-problem-drinkers.html
>
> A thread about pindolol:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20191019/msgs/1107190.htmlHugh....thanks so kindly for that!! I am going to look into Pindolol...as well as Trandate.....another beta-blocker.
Jau
Posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 1:07:26
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
> Yeah I can't really contribute anything useful here. When I am under great distress, I usually pray. God is a great listener.
>
> Somehow this board has gone from Antidepressants to controlled substancesLamdage...drugs are drugs are drugs. In Canada, many of these things are not as tightly as 'controlled'. And, I am a mental health and addictions counsellor. It is called 'Concurrent Disorders'. And, that is great you have your belief in your god. I am faithless...but I cling to hope..and I believe in love...and that is faith enough for me. Vive la différence!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 1:57:40
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » Lamdage22, posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 1:07:26
That is helpful as well. Just believing in SOMETHING- (other than drugs).
> but I cling to hope..and I believe in love...and that is faith enough for me. Vive la différence!!
Posted by jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 20:30:26
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 1:57:40
> That is helpful as well. Just believing in SOMETHING- (other than drugs).
>
> > but I cling to hope..and I believe in love...and that is faith enough for me. Vive la différence!!
>
>I apologize...reading that over I sounded very critical. Yes, one of my main problems is developing relationships. I am 51, and I really have no friends...no romantic relationships...I am trying so, so hard to have these things. But, I feel quite useless. The only things I have are my music, and books. I may have precious little..but it's still precious. Women don't seem to care much about these things...especially for a guy like me on disability benefits. They want $$$$, LOTS of 'success', etc, etc. Otherwise..I am just a bottom-feeder. :(
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 23:46:44
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » Lamdage22, posted by jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 20:30:26
Its ok, I will survive.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:02:27
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 23:46:44
Yeah friends... I think they often don't know what is going on with us and how to behave. It is really hard to connect with people when you are tormented with psychological distress. And if people can't connect, then they see no point in meeting. I don't blame them. Now that I am doing much better, people stick around more. It can be a vicious circle or the opposite if you are doing well.
The suffering that can be seen on psychobabble is sometimes hard to digest. I wish I could help, but most of the time I can't. I stick around for the talk about alternative treatments. People post it on the meds board, which is something I don't dare.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:06:43
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:02:27
Maybe I can help, but people don't want that kind of help. For whatever reason.
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