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Posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2016, at 19:28:34
In reply to Lithium is a drug, posted by SLS on February 19, 2016, at 19:01:25
> Any substance that is administered as a treatment for disease is a drug, regardless of how simple the molecular structure may be. This includes botanicals and supranutritional doses of vitamins, minerals, and food supplements.
>
>
> - Scott
Friends,
A drug in this discussion is a drug that alters the consciousness that is used in psychiatry as I refer to them as mind-altering drugs. I do not consider Lithium to be a drug but an element and I consider it to be a mineral supplement used by psychiatry that could have a high cost to the user including death. I have had friends that were killed by Lithium prescribed by a psychiatrist. There is a large body of research concerning Lithium that in many ways is contradictory, including the so-called use to prevent suicide.
None of the psychiatric drugs cure anything and psychiatrist now admit that they use these concoctions to treat symptoms ,and could come at a high cost including death, but not to be a cure. This is part of The Great Deception.
Lou
Posted by baseball55 on February 19, 2016, at 19:39:19
In reply to Lithium is a drug, posted by SLS on February 19, 2016, at 19:01:25
> Any substance that is administered as a treatment for disease is a drug, regardless of how simple the molecular structure may be. This includes botanicals and supranutritional doses of vitamins, minerals, and food supplements.
>
>
> - ScottFor example, is opium not a drug? What about penicillin? The list is long. Yes, lithium is an element that occurs in nature, but a lot a what we use as drugs today occur in nature or are synthetic copies of what occur in nature. T
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2016, at 19:40:40
In reply to Lou's response-mind-altering drugs, posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2016, at 19:28:34
> > Any substance that is administered as a treatment for disease is a drug, regardless of how simple the molecular structure may be. This includes botanicals and supranutritional doses of vitamins, minerals, and food supplements.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> Friends,
> A drug in this discussion is a drug that alters the consciousness that is used in psychiatry as I refer to them as mind-altering drugs. I do not consider Lithium to be a drug but an element and I consider it to be a mineral supplement used by psychiatry that could have a high cost to the user including death. I have had friends that were killed by Lithium prescribed by a psychiatrist. There is a large body of research concerning Lithium that in many ways is contradictory, including the so-called use to prevent suicide.
> None of the psychiatric drugs cure anything and psychiatrist now admit that they use these concoctions to treat symptoms ,and could come at a high cost including death, but not to be a cure. This is part of The Great Deception.
> Lou
>
Friends,
Drugs are indeed used to treat a disease. I do not consider these disorders here to be diseases. Hence, if there is not a disease to treat, then why are these drugs being prescribed? This is part of the Great Deception.
Lou
Posted by SLS on February 19, 2016, at 19:44:37
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » SLS, posted by baseball55 on February 19, 2016, at 19:39:19
> > Any substance that is administered as a treatment for disease is a drug, regardless of how simple the molecular structure may be. This includes botanicals and supranutritional doses of vitamins, minerals, and food supplements.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> For example, is opium not a drug? What about penicillin? The list is long. Yes, lithium is an element that occurs in nature, but a lot a what we use as drugs today occur in nature or are synthetic copies of what occur in nature. TWas there anything inaccurate in what I wrote?
- Scott
Posted by Tomatheus on February 19, 2016, at 20:02:19
In reply to Lithium is a drug, posted by SLS on February 19, 2016, at 19:01:25
> Any substance that is administered as a treatment for disease is a drug, regardless of how simple the molecular structure may be. This includes botanicals and supranutritional doses of vitamins, minerals, and food supplements.
After reviewing a few definitions of the word "drug," I'd have to agree that you're correct, Scott. So, I stand corrected on the statement that I made, in agreement with Lou Pilder, which asserted that lithium is not technically a drug. However, one statement of mine that I will not correct unless there is compelling evidence that what I said was in error is the statement that I made that there is clear evidence that psychiatric medications can be beneficial. If somebody points that something that I said was in error, and if I have reason to agree with that person, then I will acknowledge that I said something that's in error. I want to make sure that what I write here on this site and elsewhere is as factually accurate as it can be. Yet, I still have a certain member here repeatedly charging that I'm deceiving those who read what I write. I find such a charge to be erroneous and hurtful, and I wish that the member in question would take the same responsibility for what he's written that he asks others to do for what they've written.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2016, at 20:26:14
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » SLS, posted by Tomatheus on February 19, 2016, at 20:02:19
> > Any substance that is administered as a treatment for disease is a drug, regardless of how simple the molecular structure may be. This includes botanicals and supranutritional doses of vitamins, minerals, and food supplements.
>
> After reviewing a few definitions of the word "drug," I'd have to agree that you're correct, Scott. So, I stand corrected on the statement that I made, in agreement with Lou Pilder, which asserted that lithium is not technically a drug. However, one statement of mine that I will not correct unless there is compelling evidence that what I said was in error is the statement that I made that there is clear evidence that psychiatric medications can be beneficial. If somebody points that something that I said was in error, and if I have reason to agree with that person, then I will acknowledge that I said something that's in error. I want to make sure that what I write here on this site and elsewhere is as factually accurate as it can be. Yet, I still have a certain member here repeatedly charging that I'm deceiving those who read what I write. I find such a charge to be erroneous and hurtful, and I wish that the member in question would take the same responsibility for what he's written that he asks others to do for what they've written.
>
> Tomatheus
Friends,
Let there be no misunderstanding. I agree that people that take these drugs could have some benefit initially. This could be caused by many things such as the placebo effect, and also just because they went to someone to get help.
But then the drugs do something else, and that is the price you pay as I ask what is the cost by taking the drugs. The cost could be your life, addiction or a life-ruining condition. You see, these drugs can be {good for a season}. (let the reader understand).
The drugs come with deception because they can make the person think that all their troubles will be so far away initially. Now let us look at Lithium as the price you could pay.
Lou
https://www.igsli.org/general-information-on-lithium/adverse-effects-of-lithium-salts.html
Posted by SLS on February 19, 2016, at 21:02:05
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » SLS, posted by Tomatheus on February 19, 2016, at 20:02:19
Tomatheus, we have much in common (although I wish I were more like you with regard to objectivity and deliberation). There are very few times when I don't fact check myself before I post things. As you so astutely suggested, it doesn't take very much in our age of the electronic information superhighway to research things.
It is sometimes difficult for me, but I strive to be able to recognize the difference between what I know and what I don't know. For most people, this seems effortless. I guess I'm not perfect after all.
:-)
I am not at all happy that you should feel hurt by the writings of one of our posters. I hope you can find a posture that helps you to minimize this. It has been my observation that some posters enjoy eliciting negative emotional reactions in others and being as disruptive as possible. It is an unfortunate situation. Even mentally ill people can be genuine trolls. With regard to the poster who upset you, I have found it to my advantage to simply ignore them. I understand that this is easier said than done. There are times when I choose not to ignore them, but I am in control of this choice. I try not to give over to someone else the power to upset me.
In any event, I am very, very glad that you participate on Psycho-Babble, and I hope you choose to continue.
- Scott
Posted by Tomatheus on February 19, 2016, at 21:47:42
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » Tomatheus, posted by SLS on February 19, 2016, at 21:02:05
Thank you for your response, Scott. I think that the approach that you've been taking in response to the member(s) whose posts you've found to be disruptive and and possibly upsetting is a sound approach, and as I was already starting to realize, it's an approach that I think I should have taken from the start with respect to some of the posts in this thread. Although I do feel hurt by some of the statements that have been made here, my biggest concern that my involvement in the arguments that have been taking place since I first posted to this thread has contributed greatly to the derailing of the thread. I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
As for me, I do plan to continue to post here, but I'll probably participate on a rather limited basis, as I've been doing as of late. As I stated earlier, I'm not quite as big of a fan of psychiatric medications as I used to be, and considering that there aren't a whole lot of discussions on Psycho-Babble these days that aren't medication related, I expect that my participation here will continue to be limited. That's not to say that I don't feel a connection to many of those who post to this site and that I won't ever write anything here pertaining to medications and/or other topics. After all, I made my first post to this thread to wish Tabitha luck with her treatment regimen and to offer my thoughts on the medications that she's taking, and I expect that I'll continue to offer those who post here support and information that I think might be of benefit to them.
At any rate, I thank you again for your support and your advice. I'll try to keep the things that you wrote in your post in mind as I continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
Tomatheus
Posted by SLS on February 19, 2016, at 21:57:09
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » SLS, posted by Tomatheus on February 19, 2016, at 21:47:42
I promise that if you post on the Alternative board, I'll follow. I am intrigued by your latest thoughts on addressing illness and health.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on February 19, 2016, at 23:57:04
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » SLS, posted by Tomatheus on February 19, 2016, at 21:47:42
> I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
No worries. I'm an old timer here, just popped in due to the med change. Thanks for you replies.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 4:38:38
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » SLS, posted by Tomatheus on February 19, 2016, at 21:47:42
> Thank you for your response, Scott. I think that the approach that you've been taking in response to the member(s) whose posts you've found to be disruptive and and possibly upsetting is a sound approach, and as I was already starting to realize, it's an approach that I think I should have taken from the start with respect to some of the posts in this thread. Although I do feel hurt by some of the statements that have been made here, my biggest concern that my involvement in the arguments that have been taking place since I first posted to this thread has contributed greatly to the derailing of the thread. I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
>
> As for me, I do plan to continue to post here, but I'll probably participate on a rather limited basis, as I've been doing as of late. As I stated earlier, I'm not quite as big of a fan of psychiatric medications as I used to be, and considering that there aren't a whole lot of discussions on Psycho-Babble these days that aren't medication related, I expect that my participation here will continue to be limited. That's not to say that I don't feel a connection to many of those who post to this site and that I won't ever write anything here pertaining to medications and/or other topics. After all, I made my first post to this thread to wish Tabitha luck with her treatment regimen and to offer my thoughts on the medications that she's taking, and I expect that I'll continue to offer those who post here support and information that I think might be of benefit to them.
>
> At any rate, I thank you again for your support and your advice. I'll try to keep the things that you wrote in your post in mind as I continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
>
> TomatheusFriends,
Be not deceived. The false characterization of me here being allowed by Mr. Hsiung, all against his rules, could lead you to your deaths. This is part of The Great Deception of psychiatry. The defamatory statements against me here as being disruptive or derailing a thread or a troll, is a transparent attempt to sway you to ignore me as being put forth here by Scott and Mr. Hsiung.
The original poster asked for thoughts about these drugs in her initial thread. Responding to the poster is not derailing the thread or being a troll or causing disruption or trying to upset readers here. On the contrary, my posts are to save lives , prevent addictions and life-ruining conditions that come from these drugs that I contend are not medicines because they do not treat a disease. And many psychiatrists agree with me. And many are killed by these drugs being promoted here as being medicines, all the while addicting the person, creating life-ruining conditions and death.
The defamation and false allegations being allowed to be heaped upon me here by Mr. Hsiung is nothing new, but an old tactic that can influence ignorant people to hate the target person as myself being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be degraded and debased by posters here with impunity from hos rules of enforcement. This could cost you your life by ignoring what I post here that warns you of The Great Deception of psychiatry.
Look at all the sorrows being posted here by posters taking the drugs of psychiatry. If they had a disease that could be cured by the medicines that would be self-evident. But the posters here are not cured because they do not have a disease to be cured by the drugs pandered by psychiatry which are chemical nerve-agents used in the commission of killing insects, rats and people and used in the commission of mass-murder. And all along thousands of people each month are killed by these concoctions of death and those still alive think that they will find the right drug or the right combination of drugs or the right dosage of the drugs or the right combination and the right dosage to lift them out of their depression but all along driving them deeper into the horrors of addiction and psychosis that is actually being caused by the drugs themselves. This deception is being played out here with skill that shows a design. I am not blinded by the deception of psychiatry and all the hatred posted here against me is part of the design to keep deceiving readers here into thinking that they have a disease and that psychiatry has the medicine to treat the disease where no disease is shown to exist. The disease can come from the drugs the psychiatrist gives you. Oh what a farce that leads to millions of deaths.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 5:07:39
In reply to Lou;'s response-what a farce » Tomatheus, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 4:38:38
> > Thank you for your response, Scott. I think that the approach that you've been taking in response to the member(s) whose posts you've found to be disruptive and and possibly upsetting is a sound approach, and as I was already starting to realize, it's an approach that I think I should have taken from the start with respect to some of the posts in this thread. Although I do feel hurt by some of the statements that have been made here, my biggest concern that my involvement in the arguments that have been taking place since I first posted to this thread has contributed greatly to the derailing of the thread. I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> >
> > As for me, I do plan to continue to post here, but I'll probably participate on a rather limited basis, as I've been doing as of late. As I stated earlier, I'm not quite as big of a fan of psychiatric medications as I used to be, and considering that there aren't a whole lot of discussions on Psycho-Babble these days that aren't medication related, I expect that my participation here will continue to be limited. That's not to say that I don't feel a connection to many of those who post to this site and that I won't ever write anything here pertaining to medications and/or other topics. After all, I made my first post to this thread to wish Tabitha luck with her treatment regimen and to offer my thoughts on the medications that she's taking, and I expect that I'll continue to offer those who post here support and information that I think might be of benefit to them.
> >
> > At any rate, I thank you again for your support and your advice. I'll try to keep the things that you wrote in your post in mind as I continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> >
> > Tomatheus
>
> Friends,
> Be not deceived. The false characterization of me here being allowed by Mr. Hsiung, all against his rules, could lead you to your deaths. This is part of The Great Deception of psychiatry. The defamatory statements against me here as being disruptive or derailing a thread or a troll, is a transparent attempt to sway you to ignore me as being put forth here by Scott and Mr. Hsiung.
> The original poster asked for thoughts about these drugs in her initial thread. Responding to the poster is not derailing the thread or being a troll or causing disruption or trying to upset readers here. On the contrary, my posts are to save lives , prevent addictions and life-ruining conditions that come from these drugs that I contend are not medicines because they do not treat a disease. And many psychiatrists agree with me. And many are killed by these drugs being promoted here as being medicines, all the while addicting the person, creating life-ruining conditions and death.
> The defamation and false allegations being allowed to be heaped upon me here by Mr. Hsiung is nothing new, but an old tactic that can influence ignorant people to hate the target person as myself being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be degraded and debased by posters here with impunity from hos rules of enforcement. This could cost you your life by ignoring what I post here that warns you of The Great Deception of psychiatry.
> Look at all the sorrows being posted here by posters taking the drugs of psychiatry. If they had a disease that could be cured by the medicines that would be self-evident. But the posters here are not cured because they do not have a disease to be cured by the drugs pandered by psychiatry which are chemical nerve-agents used in the commission of killing insects, rats and people and used in the commission of mass-murder. And all along thousands of people each month are killed by these concoctions of death and those still alive think that they will find the right drug or the right combination of drugs or the right dosage of the drugs or the right combination and the right dosage to lift them out of their depression but all along driving them deeper into the horrors of addiction and psychosis that is actually being caused by the drugs themselves. This deception is being played out here with skill that shows a design. I am not blinded by the deception of psychiatry and all the hatred posted here against me is part of the design to keep deceiving readers here into thinking that they have a disease and that psychiatry has the medicine to treat the disease where no disease is shown to exist. The disease can come from the drugs the psychiatrist gives you. Oh what a farce that leads to millions of deaths.
> LouFriends,
Let us look at this video ...
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 5:30:26
In reply to Lou;'s response-what a farce, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 5:07:39
> > > Thank you for your response, Scott. I think that the approach that you've been taking in response to the member(s) whose posts you've found to be disruptive and and possibly upsetting is a sound approach, and as I was already starting to realize, it's an approach that I think I should have taken from the start with respect to some of the posts in this thread. Although I do feel hurt by some of the statements that have been made here, my biggest concern that my involvement in the arguments that have been taking place since I first posted to this thread has contributed greatly to the derailing of the thread. I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> > >
> > > As for me, I do plan to continue to post here, but I'll probably participate on a rather limited basis, as I've been doing as of late. As I stated earlier, I'm not quite as big of a fan of psychiatric medications as I used to be, and considering that there aren't a whole lot of discussions on Psycho-Babble these days that aren't medication related, I expect that my participation here will continue to be limited. That's not to say that I don't feel a connection to many of those who post to this site and that I won't ever write anything here pertaining to medications and/or other topics. After all, I made my first post to this thread to wish Tabitha luck with her treatment regimen and to offer my thoughts on the medications that she's taking, and I expect that I'll continue to offer those who post here support and information that I think might be of benefit to them.
> > >
> > > At any rate, I thank you again for your support and your advice. I'll try to keep the things that you wrote in your post in mind as I continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> > >
> > > Tomatheus
> >
> > Friends,
> > Be not deceived. The false characterization of me here being allowed by Mr. Hsiung, all against his rules, could lead you to your deaths. This is part of The Great Deception of psychiatry. The defamatory statements against me here as being disruptive or derailing a thread or a troll, is a transparent attempt to sway you to ignore me as being put forth here by Scott and Mr. Hsiung.
> > The original poster asked for thoughts about these drugs in her initial thread. Responding to the poster is not derailing the thread or being a troll or causing disruption or trying to upset readers here. On the contrary, my posts are to save lives , prevent addictions and life-ruining conditions that come from these drugs that I contend are not medicines because they do not treat a disease. And many psychiatrists agree with me. And many are killed by these drugs being promoted here as being medicines, all the while addicting the person, creating life-ruining conditions and death.
> > The defamation and false allegations being allowed to be heaped upon me here by Mr. Hsiung is nothing new, but an old tactic that can influence ignorant people to hate the target person as myself being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be degraded and debased by posters here with impunity from hos rules of enforcement. This could cost you your life by ignoring what I post here that warns you of The Great Deception of psychiatry.
> > Look at all the sorrows being posted here by posters taking the drugs of psychiatry. If they had a disease that could be cured by the medicines that would be self-evident. But the posters here are not cured because they do not have a disease to be cured by the drugs pandered by psychiatry which are chemical nerve-agents used in the commission of killing insects, rats and people and used in the commission of mass-murder. And all along thousands of people each month are killed by these concoctions of death and those still alive think that they will find the right drug or the right combination of drugs or the right dosage of the drugs or the right combination and the right dosage to lift them out of their depression but all along driving them deeper into the horrors of addiction and psychosis that is actually being caused by the drugs themselves. This deception is being played out here with skill that shows a design. I am not blinded by the deception of psychiatry and all the hatred posted here against me is part of the design to keep deceiving readers here into thinking that they have a disease and that psychiatry has the medicine to treat the disease where no disease is shown to exist. The disease can come from the drugs the psychiatrist gives you. Oh what a farce that leads to millions of deaths.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> Let us look at this video ...
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
>
correction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 5:39:30
In reply to correct; Lou;'s response-what a farce, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 5:30:26
> > > > Thank you for your response, Scott. I think that the approach that you've been taking in response to the member(s) whose posts you've found to be disruptive and and possibly upsetting is a sound approach, and as I was already starting to realize, it's an approach that I think I should have taken from the start with respect to some of the posts in this thread. Although I do feel hurt by some of the statements that have been made here, my biggest concern that my involvement in the arguments that have been taking place since I first posted to this thread has contributed greatly to the derailing of the thread. I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> > > >
> > > > As for me, I do plan to continue to post here, but I'll probably participate on a rather limited basis, as I've been doing as of late. As I stated earlier, I'm not quite as big of a fan of psychiatric medications as I used to be, and considering that there aren't a whole lot of discussions on Psycho-Babble these days that aren't medication related, I expect that my participation here will continue to be limited. That's not to say that I don't feel a connection to many of those who post to this site and that I won't ever write anything here pertaining to medications and/or other topics. After all, I made my first post to this thread to wish Tabitha luck with her treatment regimen and to offer my thoughts on the medications that she's taking, and I expect that I'll continue to offer those who post here support and information that I think might be of benefit to them.
> > > >
> > > > At any rate, I thank you again for your support and your advice. I'll try to keep the things that you wrote in your post in mind as I continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> > > >
> > > > Tomatheus
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Be not deceived. The false characterization of me here being allowed by Mr. Hsiung, all against his rules, could lead you to your deaths. This is part of The Great Deception of psychiatry. The defamatory statements against me here as being disruptive or derailing a thread or a troll, is a transparent attempt to sway you to ignore me as being put forth here by Scott and Mr. Hsiung.
> > > The original poster asked for thoughts about these drugs in her initial thread. Responding to the poster is not derailing the thread or being a troll or causing disruption or trying to upset readers here. On the contrary, my posts are to save lives , prevent addictions and life-ruining conditions that come from these drugs that I contend are not medicines because they do not treat a disease. And many psychiatrists agree with me. And many are killed by these drugs being promoted here as being medicines, all the while addicting the person, creating life-ruining conditions and death.
> > > The defamation and false allegations being allowed to be heaped upon me here by Mr. Hsiung is nothing new, but an old tactic that can influence ignorant people to hate the target person as myself being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be degraded and debased by posters here with impunity from hos rules of enforcement. This could cost you your life by ignoring what I post here that warns you of The Great Deception of psychiatry.
> > > Look at all the sorrows being posted here by posters taking the drugs of psychiatry. If they had a disease that could be cured by the medicines that would be self-evident. But the posters here are not cured because they do not have a disease to be cured by the drugs pandered by psychiatry which are chemical nerve-agents used in the commission of killing insects, rats and people and used in the commission of mass-murder. And all along thousands of people each month are killed by these concoctions of death and those still alive think that they will find the right drug or the right combination of drugs or the right dosage of the drugs or the right combination and the right dosage to lift them out of their depression but all along driving them deeper into the horrors of addiction and psychosis that is actually being caused by the drugs themselves. This deception is being played out here with skill that shows a design. I am not blinded by the deception of psychiatry and all the hatred posted here against me is part of the design to keep deceiving readers here into thinking that they have a disease and that psychiatry has the medicine to treat the disease where no disease is shown to exist. The disease can come from the drugs the psychiatrist gives you. Oh what a farce that leads to millions of deaths.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > Let us look at this video ...
> > Lou
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
> >
> correction:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
>
correction 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 5:52:12
In reply to correct2; Lou;'s response-what a farce, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 5:39:30
> > > > > Thank you for your response, Scott. I think that the approach that you've been taking in response to the member(s) whose posts you've found to be disruptive and and possibly upsetting is a sound approach, and as I was already starting to realize, it's an approach that I think I should have taken from the start with respect to some of the posts in this thread. Although I do feel hurt by some of the statements that have been made here, my biggest concern that my involvement in the arguments that have been taking place since I first posted to this thread has contributed greatly to the derailing of the thread. I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for me, I do plan to continue to post here, but I'll probably participate on a rather limited basis, as I've been doing as of late. As I stated earlier, I'm not quite as big of a fan of psychiatric medications as I used to be, and considering that there aren't a whole lot of discussions on Psycho-Babble these days that aren't medication related, I expect that my participation here will continue to be limited. That's not to say that I don't feel a connection to many of those who post to this site and that I won't ever write anything here pertaining to medications and/or other topics. After all, I made my first post to this thread to wish Tabitha luck with her treatment regimen and to offer my thoughts on the medications that she's taking, and I expect that I'll continue to offer those who post here support and information that I think might be of benefit to them.
> > > > >
> > > > > At any rate, I thank you again for your support and your advice. I'll try to keep the things that you wrote in your post in mind as I continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tomatheus
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Be not deceived. The false characterization of me here being allowed by Mr. Hsiung, all against his rules, could lead you to your deaths. This is part of The Great Deception of psychiatry. The defamatory statements against me here as being disruptive or derailing a thread or a troll, is a transparent attempt to sway you to ignore me as being put forth here by Scott and Mr. Hsiung.
> > > > The original poster asked for thoughts about these drugs in her initial thread. Responding to the poster is not derailing the thread or being a troll or causing disruption or trying to upset readers here. On the contrary, my posts are to save lives , prevent addictions and life-ruining conditions that come from these drugs that I contend are not medicines because they do not treat a disease. And many psychiatrists agree with me. And many are killed by these drugs being promoted here as being medicines, all the while addicting the person, creating life-ruining conditions and death.
> > > > The defamation and false allegations being allowed to be heaped upon me here by Mr. Hsiung is nothing new, but an old tactic that can influence ignorant people to hate the target person as myself being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be degraded and debased by posters here with impunity from hos rules of enforcement. This could cost you your life by ignoring what I post here that warns you of The Great Deception of psychiatry.
> > > > Look at all the sorrows being posted here by posters taking the drugs of psychiatry. If they had a disease that could be cured by the medicines that would be self-evident. But the posters here are not cured because they do not have a disease to be cured by the drugs pandered by psychiatry which are chemical nerve-agents used in the commission of killing insects, rats and people and used in the commission of mass-murder. And all along thousands of people each month are killed by these concoctions of death and those still alive think that they will find the right drug or the right combination of drugs or the right dosage of the drugs or the right combination and the right dosage to lift them out of their depression but all along driving them deeper into the horrors of addiction and psychosis that is actually being caused by the drugs themselves. This deception is being played out here with skill that shows a design. I am not blinded by the deception of psychiatry and all the hatred posted here against me is part of the design to keep deceiving readers here into thinking that they have a disease and that psychiatry has the medicine to treat the disease where no disease is shown to exist. The disease can come from the drugs the psychiatrist gives you. Oh what a farce that leads to millions of deaths.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Let us look at this video ...
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
> > >
> > correction:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
> >
> correction 2
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJlBaMk
> correction3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJ1BaMk
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 7:47:02
In reply to Re: Lithium is a drug » Tomatheus, posted by Tabitha on February 19, 2016, at 23:57:04
> > I'd like to apologize to Tabitha for the part that I've played in derailing this thread, and I hope that she too will continue to participate on Psycho-Babble.
>
> No worries. I'm an old timer here, just popped in due to the med change. Thanks for you replies.Tabitha,
Be not deceived. Lithium can cause toxic states to your organs and cause suicidal thinking. Let us look at the following to understand how deception in this area is promulgated. You see, these disorders are not diseases and the drugs are not medicines that psychiatry panders that kill thousands of people each month, many by suicide caused by the drugs themselves. What a deception being pulled over the eyes of ignorant people swallowing perverted "scientific" studies that have been refuted and uncovered as fraud, yet still are promulgated here to deceive readers to their deaths. Let us look at little bit closer at this claim that lithium prevents suicide.
Lou
http://joannamoncrieff.com/2015/07/27/lithium-and-suicide-what-does-the-evidence-show
Posted by SLS on February 20, 2016, at 8:15:38
In reply to Suicidal ideation, adding lithium, posted by Tabitha on February 19, 2016, at 0:40:20
"At first, there will be a deluge of postings by the troll as they get more and more desperate for attention. They crave attention, engagement, and disruption, which they can't get if they are totally ignored. They don't much care if their behavior makes them a pariah and an outcast. They are often narcissists. It is best not to engage. I'm sure I will from time to time, but I almost never open the posts of a troll once I become familiar with their posting behaviors. I simply don't care what they have to say, unless they are upsetting someone."
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084360.html
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 9:35:37
In reply to Re: Suicidal ideation, adding lithium, posted by SLS on February 20, 2016, at 8:15:38
> "At first, there will be a deluge of postings by the troll as they get more and more desperate for attention. They crave attention, engagement, and disruption, which they can't get if they are totally ignored. They don't much care if their behavior makes them a pariah and an outcast. They are often narcissists. It is best not to engage. I'm sure I will from time to time, but I almost never open the posts of a troll once I become familiar with their posting behaviors. I simply don't care what they have to say, unless they are upsetting someone."
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084360.html
>
>
> - Scott
Friends,
Be not deceived. The slander against me here by Scott falsely depicting me as a troll allowed by Mr. Hsiung can create and develop anti-Semitic hatred in this site. That could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in life itself that could cause you to kill yourself.
You see, I understand what causes people to want to kill themselves and how this site can contribute to that happening to those vulnerable to suicidal thoughts. This is why I am trying to stop Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record to continue to allow anti-Semitic hate and propaganda to be seen as supportive here. This hate is created and developed by Mr. Hsuing allowing Scott and his followers to defame me here with impunity. This can lead readers to think that it is supportive to falsely accuse me as being a troll. If wanting to save lives is being a troll, then we need a whole lot more of trolls.
Lou
Posted by SLS on February 20, 2016, at 10:25:21
In reply to Lou's response-we need a whole lot more of trolls » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 9:35:37
Please redirect to Administration:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20151112/msgs/1086324.html
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 20, 2016, at 11:30:41
In reply to Re: Suicidal ideation, adding lithium, posted by SLS on February 20, 2016, at 8:15:38
> "At first, there will be a deluge of postings by the troll as they get more and more desperate for attention. They crave attention, engagement, and disruption, which they can't get if they are totally ignored. They don't much care if their behavior makes them a pariah and an outcast. They are often narcissists. It is best not to engage. I'm sure I will from time to time, but I almost never open the posts of a troll once I become familiar with their posting behaviors. I simply don't care what they have to say, unless they are upsetting someone."
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151119/msgs/1084360.html
>
>
> - ScottIt is so funny how you predicted what was going to happen!
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 20, 2016, at 11:37:20
In reply to Re: Suicidal ideation, adding lithium, posted by Lamdage22 on February 20, 2016, at 11:30:41
It is troll-ish.
Posted by Tabitha on February 20, 2016, at 12:51:25
In reply to Lou's response-so you think that lithium will » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 7:47:02
> http://joannamoncrieff.com/2015/07/27/lithium-and-suicide-what-does-the-evidence-show
Lou, thanks for the link, it's an interesting site. However I disagree with her argument. I think she has created a strawman when she says "I realised that embedded in our understanding of what drugs like antipsychotics and antidepressants do was an assumption that had not been examined. This assumption is the idea that the drugs work by reversing a hypothetical abnormality or chemical imbalance, "
I recall that simplistic view being promoted back when SSRI's were new, but only in dumbed-down consumer-targetted marketing. I don't hear that claim any more. In fact drug information states clearly that the cause of depression is unknown and the mechanism of action of the drugs is not well understood.
I did not read Dr Moncreiffs entire site, but from what I see, she is not addressing the fact that conditions like bipolar create enormous suffering and loss of productivity. Medications, when they work, relieve that suffering and enable people to lead productive lives. I understand that they also create adverse side effects, but that's the case for lots of medical interventions. Someday I hope for better treatments, but I am willing to use what we have today. I have no illusion that medication is fixing my brain.
As for lithium and suicide, I will take my doctor's word over hers, as she seems to be playing the part of a contrarian crank. I suspect there's quite a lot of cherry-picking involved.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 14:00:35
In reply to Re: Lou's response-so you think that lithium will » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on February 20, 2016, at 12:51:25
> > http://joannamoncrieff.com/2015/07/27/lithium-and-suicide-what-does-the-evidence-show
>
> Lou, thanks for the link, it's an interesting site. However I disagree with her argument. I think she has created a strawman when she says "I realised that embedded in our understanding of what drugs like antipsychotics and antidepressants do was an assumption that had not been examined. This assumption is the idea that the drugs work by reversing a hypothetical abnormality or chemical imbalance, "
>
> I recall that simplistic view being promoted back when SSRI's were new, but only in dumbed-down consumer-targetted marketing. I don't hear that claim any more. In fact drug information states clearly that the cause of depression is unknown and the mechanism of action of the drugs is not well understood.
>
> I did not read Dr Moncreiffs entire site, but from what I see, she is not addressing the fact that conditions like bipolar create enormous suffering and loss of productivity. Medications, when they work, relieve that suffering and enable people to lead productive lives. I understand that they also create adverse side effects, but that's the case for lots of medical interventions. Someday I hope for better treatments, but I am willing to use what we have today. I have no illusion that medication is fixing my brain.
>
> As for lithium and suicide, I will take my doctor's word over hers, as she seems to be playing the part of a contrarian crank. I suspect there's quite a lot of cherry-picking involved.
>
> Tabitha,
Thank you for your interest, again, in this situation that you are in.
You see, the adding of Lithium in your situation could cause your death. You see, there are people that take Lithium and are killed by the drug because it was added to a combination of other drugs, like in your situation. This is why I am so interested in helping you here because you could be killed by having Lithium added to your other drugs by the psychiatrist. I would hold that psychiatrist liable for your death.
These drugs are not medicines because they are not treating a disease. They are chemical nerve-agents that can cause death. There is no imbalance being corrected of brain chemicals by these drugs.
In your case, you could become so controlled by the psychiatrist to do what he/she says because the combination of the drugs could reduce your thinking powers for you to reason on your own. But worse, the adding of Lithium can exponentially increase your suicidal thoughts in this case because it is being combined with other
chemicals that are nerve-agents. What could happen is sometimes called serotonin syndrome that could cause your death. Here, Lithium added could be the cause.
There is a way to navigate bi-polar without drugs. I am prevented from posting about that here due to the prohibitions to me by Mr. Hsiung. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me which is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung for me to post here.
I see the enormous suffering caused by these drugs here that have a warning that they can induce suicidal thoughts, yet people take them as being encouraged by members here all being able to be seen as supportive. That is a tragedy that can influence others to take these drugs and get a life-ruining condition or addiction or death.
But be it as it may be, I will watch to see if the Lithium killed you and if so, your blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by SLS on February 20, 2016, at 15:05:26
In reply to Suicidal ideation, adding lithium, posted by Tabitha on February 19, 2016, at 0:40:20
Posted by Tabitha on February 20, 2016, at 16:23:00
In reply to Lou's reply-Lithium added could induce death » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 14:00:35
> But be it as it may be, I will watch to see if the Lithium killed you and if so, your blood will not be upon me.
> Lou
>I agree that nobody could rightly blame you if the lithium kills me. You've done all you can do!
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