Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2016, at 14:00:35
In reply to Re: Lou's response-so you think that lithium will » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on February 20, 2016, at 12:51:25
> > http://joannamoncrieff.com/2015/07/27/lithium-and-suicide-what-does-the-evidence-show
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> Lou, thanks for the link, it's an interesting site. However I disagree with her argument. I think she has created a strawman when she says "I realised that embedded in our understanding of what drugs like antipsychotics and antidepressants do was an assumption that had not been examined. This assumption is the idea that the drugs work by reversing a hypothetical abnormality or chemical imbalance, "
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> I recall that simplistic view being promoted back when SSRI's were new, but only in dumbed-down consumer-targetted marketing. I don't hear that claim any more. In fact drug information states clearly that the cause of depression is unknown and the mechanism of action of the drugs is not well understood.
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> I did not read Dr Moncreiffs entire site, but from what I see, she is not addressing the fact that conditions like bipolar create enormous suffering and loss of productivity. Medications, when they work, relieve that suffering and enable people to lead productive lives. I understand that they also create adverse side effects, but that's the case for lots of medical interventions. Someday I hope for better treatments, but I am willing to use what we have today. I have no illusion that medication is fixing my brain.
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> As for lithium and suicide, I will take my doctor's word over hers, as she seems to be playing the part of a contrarian crank. I suspect there's quite a lot of cherry-picking involved.
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> Tabitha,
Thank you for your interest, again, in this situation that you are in.
You see, the adding of Lithium in your situation could cause your death. You see, there are people that take Lithium and are killed by the drug because it was added to a combination of other drugs, like in your situation. This is why I am so interested in helping you here because you could be killed by having Lithium added to your other drugs by the psychiatrist. I would hold that psychiatrist liable for your death.
These drugs are not medicines because they are not treating a disease. They are chemical nerve-agents that can cause death. There is no imbalance being corrected of brain chemicals by these drugs.
In your case, you could become so controlled by the psychiatrist to do what he/she says because the combination of the drugs could reduce your thinking powers for you to reason on your own. But worse, the adding of Lithium can exponentially increase your suicidal thoughts in this case because it is being combined with other
chemicals that are nerve-agents. What could happen is sometimes called serotonin syndrome that could cause your death. Here, Lithium added could be the cause.
There is a way to navigate bi-polar without drugs. I am prevented from posting about that here due to the prohibitions to me by Mr. Hsiung. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me which is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung for me to post here.
I see the enormous suffering caused by these drugs here that have a warning that they can induce suicidal thoughts, yet people take them as being encouraged by members here all being able to be seen as supportive. That is a tragedy that can influence others to take these drugs and get a life-ruining condition or addiction or death.
But be it as it may be, I will watch to see if the Lithium killed you and if so, your blood will not be upon me.
Lou
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