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Posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2003, at 23:24:07
In reply to Re: What is consciousness? » Bob, posted by Eddie Sylvano on November 25, 2003, at 8:28:38
> > So where did you get all that from?
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> By far the best book has been "Neurodynamics of Personality", as far as scinetific rigor.
> Another good one is "The Illusion of Conscious Will".
> Beyond these texts, most of my other readings have been in science magazines (Scientific American) and the Internet.
> Some neat studies regarding free will were conducted by a guy named Libet, quite a while ago ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?holding=npg&cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6640273&dopt=Abstract ).
> Beyond academic support, the notion just makes sense. If you assume that we have free will, or some special form of consciousness, just keep looking down the evolutionary tree and decide at which point life doesn't have free will (insects?bacteria? virii?). Unless you flatly reject evolution in favor of a religious explaination, it's obvious that we're the result of a process which isn't quite as impressive as we'd like, and bound by the same rules. There is no more place for free will in our behavior than there is for free will in the weather. Both systems are complex and unpredictable, but it's more obvious to people that the weather is the result of physical determinism, because they don't hold the same biases towards it.
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Posted by Dr. Rod on November 26, 2003, at 0:43:52
In reply to Re: What is consciousness? « Eddie Sylvano, posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2003, at 23:24:07
Much work has taken place over last 30 years... Roger Penrose has pointed to remarkable prosesses that are going on every time we think and perceive...
My synthesis of what I've read is that there are really nine senses managed by eight cortical imaging centers... If you have firing of any one of the eight imaging centers, "We have consciousness!"... So, even in near death and coma, something going on no matter how degraded, "We have consciousness!"...
When I call the cortex an imaging center, it pertains to the cause and effect of the lasting image left on the patterns of memory in the mind, and the "minds eye" being able to recall a smell, a sound, the feeling of falling, the surety of making a basket the moment you release the basketball, a taste, roughness, the color green, hunger, and nausea... What I mean is that you don't just cough up a story about roughness or the color green, you really relive it... You can induce most of the effects of pleasure or pain, but your minds eye can't reimage it without a little help from your second brain --- your gut...
so, that's why they say you can't really re-feel pleasure or pain...Read Penrose, Penfield, and D'Massio... These are "Neuro" experts, that are largely ignored by the mental health folks... Its left to us to ask the questions and make the assumptions as to effect...
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