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Posted by OddipusRex on April 14, 2003, at 19:57:16
If it's civil to speculate on others' ability or style of thinking, would it be all right to speculate on psychological styles or shortcomings?? Even if it's okay with you I don't want to do it by individual names because it's not okay with me! But in general I think these remarks are worth a careful reading.
http://www.scapegoat.demon.co.uk/
In scapegoating, feelings of guilt, aggression, blame and suffering are transferred away from a person or group so as to fulfill an unconscious drive to resolve or avoid such bad feelings. This is done by the displacement of responsibility and blame to another who serves as a target for blame both for the scapegoater and his supporters. The scapegoating process can be understood as an example of the Drama Triangle concept [Karpman, 1968].
The perpetrator's drive to displace and transfer responsibility away from himself may not be experienced with full consciousness - self-deception is often a feature. The target's knowledge that he is being scapegoated builds slowly and follows events. The scapegoater's target experiences exclusion, ostracism or even expulsion.
In so far as the process is unconscious it is more likely to be denied by the perpetrator. In such cases, any bad feelings - such as the perpetrator's own shame and guilt - are also likely to be denied. Scapegoating frees the perpetrator from some self-dissatisfaction and provides some narcissistic gratification to him. It enables the self-righteous discharge of aggression. Scapegoaters tend to have extra-punitive characteristics [Kraupl-Taylor, 1953].
Scapegoating also can be seen as the perpetrator's defense mechanism against unacceptable emotions such as hostility and guilt. In Kleinian terms, scapegoating is an example of projective identification, with the primitive intent of splitting: separating the good from the bad [Scheidlinger, 1982]. On another view, scapegoaters are insecure people driven to raise their own status by lowering the status of their target [Carter, 1996].
Posted by stjames on April 15, 2003, at 10:38:13
In reply to Scapegoating, posted by OddipusRex on April 14, 2003, at 19:57:16
What about when that are an absolute bore ?
Posted by Oddipus Rex on April 17, 2003, at 20:39:47
In reply to Re: Scapegoating, posted by stjames on April 15, 2003, at 10:38:13
> What about when that are an absolute bore ?
St James I don't know what you meant.If you mean the person who is scapegoated is an absolute bore, I would wonder why people didn't just avoid him instead of scapegoating him. Sorry if that's not what you meant. Thanks for reading and replying.
Posted by shar on April 17, 2003, at 23:22:03
In reply to Scapegoating, posted by OddipusRex on April 14, 2003, at 19:57:16
All this talk about some posters by others (and vice versa) seems to me like a good ole down home incredibly lengthy series of disagreements characterized by a lot of frustration. Name-calling began, and was continued by those who were called names, plus other frustrated posters added comments.
Seems like people are more at wit's end than anything else, after trying (unsuccessfully) for so long to have a true dialog with one of the parties involved.
Scapegoating? I don't think so. Especially in the technical or clinical sense.
Just IMHO.
Shar
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