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nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 9, 2020, at 23:15:11

i used to smoke for about 10 years, i enjoyed it, after a stressful event i would have a smoke, or something to look too, to pull out a cigg and light up, it gives a small reward feeling. So...after a while, my mom and my stepfather hated my smoking, they told me i smelled like smoke, and take a shower everytime i smoked, it is kinda ironic, smoking used to be normal during the periods 1940-1980s, EVERYONE and everywhere would smell like smoke, offices, airplanes, college classroomes, you would light up anywhere and there were no restrictions, then i think in the late 70s or 80s they started banning smoking to outside, becaues non smokers just had it, they said they would have to wash their clothes, and hair because even being in an offices, they smoked at their desks, and their would be a cloud in meeting rooms and offices. EVERYWHERE smelled like smoke, i ask my mom and others, yes....you could smoke almost anywhere, have ciggertte smoke clouds in offices and movie theares.

So i decided i don't want to smell like nasty ciggertte, and plus i thought it would be cleaner and less harsh on the lungs. I have to say something, i have low dopamine - i constantly have to drink caffeine, or take l-tyrosine to keep my dopamine nomral. Then i started looking how much nicotine intakake, i saw the tank and saw how much i was puffing a day. I'm doing it because there's a drop in dopamine levels, and when i smoke or ... vape, it boosts it back up and i feel better mood, back to normal. It helps me think, and it was nicotine that helped me get through when they ripped me off stimulants, and still today it's use ful, but when it's not there, nicotine withdrawal. I've got to lower the levels, because truthfully, nicotine boosts my dopamine back to normal, and it releases another chemical called acetylcholine which helps thinking and process. I will not go back to ciggeretttes ever, because one people today look down on you if you smoke, they considerate it quite unpleasant, and see you as a smoker. Chain smokers do that, to keep their dopamine and acetylcholine up while doing things, work or processing.

I've got to lay down, taken nicotine lounges when i study, and it does help but its not psychoative like real stimulants. I've gotta lower down the dose, i just realized that, ... if i go sometime somwhere and go days without nicotine, there will be withdrawl, not bad but ill be in unpleasant state, and feel understimulated.

Hopefully since i wrote this, ill go back and remind myself, vapes don't stink, they smell alot better, there less harsh on the lungs than tobacco, and people don't know you smoke. So .. wish me luck, reduce intake, but the main thing is dopamine depletion, and using nicotine and others to keep them up to normal levels. That is truthful, after a stressful event, it makes a relief or reward feeling, but it's not conisdered as hard core, it's very light. The whole world from the 1940s-80s smelled like cigarette, classes, airplanes, restaurants, office meetings having cloud of cigarette smoke in the room. Nasty, that why people look down on smokers today.

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 10, 2020, at 0:04:02

In reply to nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 9, 2020, at 23:15:11

i don't think it's known today, but back in the day, you would find film, or layers of smoke on the walls, they would chnage the color wall paper, and the room with places of exvess smoking. You would just wipe the walls, or the desks, and you would see this nicotine film, ingrained into the walls. Walking to meetings, yoiu know like hte 1950s, it was normal, and it's like you didnt even notice it because it was so common to smoke back then. But if look it now, no public place or offices smell like ciggerette, and if someone comes in after a smoke break, they are look down on, nasty smell. Still there are tons smokers today, bars, people bum smokes all the time, but back then is when you would walk into a house, a subway, an airplame, they would have to constantly replace the air filters on airplaces, and also hospitals. It just ... i was doing research on history of smoking, wide speak smoking started after WWI, that's when alot men started smoking, during world war I, (in america, other countires have diffrent stories) and then that's when it started becoming wide spreak, then women started smoking. For a while, if a woman smoked it was looked down on. It was mainly guys, smoking cigars and having brandy or bourbon during office meetings, or smoke rooms after dinner. Today it is not ... no office, nowhere smells like ciggies, i think its great, cleaner, no 2nd hand smoke, and less and less people are smoking today. From anti-smoking ads with this generation. But it's just yeah....for about 40-50 years it was normal to see smoking, and you didn't even notice the smell because it so common. Movie stars, it was considered "adult" and in aay fashionable to smoke, it gave like this elegant thing, older movie stars smoked and tons of other people around. Kids started smoking because they saw their parents, and they considered it to be an adult, was to smoke. It was nasty nasty time, but that's from research i did on history of it. And many people, died from lung diseases, that is no propaganda, no matter how much it stinked, the 2nd hand smoked cause lung diseases, were seeing less cases of it than back then. I think that's why this new generation strongly discourages ciggies

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by undopaminergic on January 10, 2020, at 3:27:25

In reply to nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 9, 2020, at 23:15:11

>
> I've got to lower the levels, because truthfully, nicotine boosts my dopamine back to normal, and it releases another chemical called acetylcholine which helps thinking and process.
>

Nicotine is itself an agonist, at nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Indeed, these receptors are named after it.

It also works on nicotinic receptors in the adrenal medulla to release adrenaline.

Are you saying it also causes the release of (endogenous) acetylcholine?

> I've got to lay down, taken nicotine lounges when i study,
>

What is a nicotine "lounge"? I've never heard that term before. Do you mean lozenges?

> and it does help but its not psychoative like real stimulants.
>

Yes it is. It is mainly centrally acting. It is also a "real" stimulant, but of course very different from cocaine- or amphetamine-like stimulants.

> Hopefully since i wrote this, ill go back and remind myself, vapes don't stink, they smell alot better, there less harsh on the lungs than tobacco, and people don't know you smoke.
>

I've used nicotine sublingual/bucchal tablets. Chewing gums did not work well for me. I am currently on a nicotine mouth spray, and it works very well, I haven't smoked in several months, and a bottle usually lasts more than a week. I get them for free from the hospital, and I've saved a lot of money from quitting smoking.

> The whole world from the 1940s-80s smelled like cigarette, classes, airplanes, restaurants, office meetings having cloud of cigarette smoke in the room. Nasty, that why people look down on smokers today.
>

Yes, I remember from the 80s many places, such as cafés used to smell of cigarette smoke, there were ashtrays in many places, and guests at our home used to smoke inside, and their own homes would smell tobacco all the time. My mother hates the smell, but I don't mind, I even kind of like it.

In one of my (hypo)manic episodes, I impulsively started smoking, and especially liked cigars. I chain-smoked them in my bedroom, and I closed the door to concentrate the smoke. I loved the haze of smoke, and the smell. I smoked in front of my computer and watched myself on the webcam, especially when my face disappeared behind a dense cloud of smoke as I exhaled. That is one of the happiest memories of my life.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by Christ_empowered on January 10, 2020, at 11:56:35

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by undopaminergic on January 10, 2020, at 3:27:25

smoking is kind of...demonized. I'm into Orthomolecular, right? right. OK, so...the Orthomolecular MDs/DOs (the few that remain...) are against smoking, but...

based on their info and other, more modern research into vitamins and such, it does seem that a lot of the health probs from smoking can be minimized, possibly even prevented, with things as simple (and inexpensive) as high dose C, high dose B-complex, zinc, selenium, some E (the old school OM MD/DOs go for E succinate, which I think is just...odd, I take natural form...) and...

blah. of course, if you'll notice, the media right now is framing a story in which supplements are -evil- and 'you get everything you need from a balanced diet!,' etc. i don't get it, honestly. even if every single morsel one puts in one's mouth is organic and fresh from some idyllic farm in Vermont (I'm guessing...), the OM people argue that it is still.not.enough...

especially when factoring in OTC stuff, Rx stuff, smoking, drinking, high stress, distress that is labeled 'mental illness,' etc.

it is a smelly habit. and, now, an expen$ive one, too. these cigarette taxes are insane...and regressive...for every 1 affluent to straight up wealthy chain smoker, I'd guess there's 15-20 way, way, way lower down the socioeconomic scale...

so, its really (yet another) tax on the poor and working classes. awesome.

ok. moral of the story: safest not to smoke. if you do, or did, add Orthomolecular. actually...if you're alive, add Orthomolecular, no matter current or past smoking status.

:-)

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence » rjlockhart37

Posted by phidippus on January 15, 2020, at 17:58:07

In reply to nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 9, 2020, at 23:15:11

How do you know you have low dopamine levels? Have you had them measured-labs done and panels filled?

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by Rculater on January 18, 2020, at 17:35:42

In reply to nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 9, 2020, at 23:15:11

Your are in constant nicotine withdrawal with any nicotine delivery system . you vape and stimulate your dopamine receptors , you stop for a bit and your brain wants more , your in withdrawal , so you vape again. Thats why the first puff of the day is the best . I doubt you have low dopamine . Quit everything cold turkey (easier said them done I know ) and your dopamine receptors will level out and other things will stimulate them naturally like seeing a sunset on a crisp morning rather than getting a buzz from the most addictive drug known to man. Nicotine.

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by undopaminergic on January 19, 2020, at 8:44:22

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by Rculater on January 18, 2020, at 17:35:42

> Your are in constant nicotine withdrawal with any nicotine delivery system . you vape and stimulate your dopamine receptors , you stop for a bit and your brain wants more , your in withdrawal , so you vape again. Thats why the first puff of the day is the best . I doubt you have low dopamine . Quit everything cold turkey (easier said them done I know ) and your dopamine receptors will level out and other things will stimulate them naturally like seeing a sunset on a crisp morning rather than getting a buzz from the most addictive drug known to man. Nicotine.
>

Like Freud, I experience that nicotine enhances my capacity for work. I can concentrate for longer. On the other hand, it's hard to say if that is just dependence.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence » Rculater

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 19, 2020, at 23:39:24

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by Rculater on January 18, 2020, at 17:35:42

oh yes, have dopamine issues, so stopping nicotine, well yes would not be bad. But just like drinking coffee in the morning, ill stay in this non productive phase, only in intense situations will it be stimulated. I went 10 years off a stimulant, and went into a vegetable, zyprexa induced dopamine lowered levels. Think of this way, you go through the day, you don't see anything to look forward too except a few events, your sluggish and depressed. The motor skills, or doing work at a factory i would fail behind badly, motor skills were impaired. See it is a dopamine issue, i went years in this non active state, with no nicotine or stimulant. Then when i started smoking, i realized the stimulation. And i was more activated, but wanting to have the reward effect after i got done. So it was looking forward to something, a dopamine release. I had hardly any dopamine release for years. Drinking extreme caffeine or stimulant to be productive. If was taken off Nuvigil, i would be impaired, only in emergency issues when i would be forced to be activated

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 19, 2020, at 23:45:39

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by undopaminergic on January 19, 2020, at 8:44:22

totally, nicotine does help cognitve abilities, even getting a nicotine longze and chewing it up, instead of letting it dissolve, it's a form of caffeine that enhances dopamine transmission, as well as acetylcholine. Freud was kinda drug induced when he was writing his work, and studies, he was a cocaine addict, and also smoked nicotine. That constant dopamine stimulant made him continue in his work, sometimes a bit over detailed, but he did his studies and wrote useful infomration

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 20, 2020, at 0:00:18

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence » Rculater, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 19, 2020, at 23:39:24

but even without nicotine ill have surges of brilliance, not sure it's mania or temporary surge state. Write and work on projects majorly online, it's not totally dependence, its like a side kick. People don't always need side kicks, they can do it on there own, even through it would be more difficult and more responsibility and indomitable will. That was a whiney post i wrote about this issue, the fact is and i know it yes i can function without anything, ill have surges of ideas and analysis study. Then it stops for a while, and feel like im just floating in the ocean with tube not knowing what direction to go. Yes, nicotine, besides alcohol is one of the most addicting things, since it was introduced. It's about the reward system, and at times when people are stressed, they smoke. It's not always total reward. This has been known for a long time

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by undopaminergic on January 20, 2020, at 4:45:47

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 19, 2020, at 23:45:39

> it's a form of caffeine that enhances dopamine transmission,

I don't think that's what you were trying to say. Nicotine is not a form of caffeine, though the two are used for much the same reasons.

> Freud .. was a cocaine addict, and also smoked nicotine.

I wouldn't say he was a cocaine addict, though he was a regular user for some time. I'd say he *was* addicted to cigars, however -- he continued to smoke them even after he got oral cancer.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Rculater

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 20, 2020, at 22:25:39

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence » Rculater, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 19, 2020, at 23:39:24

hi im back, i just realized this morning, yes you are correct, because i went a half day without vape, almost a whole day. It was miserable, because i consider the nicotine, or the vape, a little stimulator, but even cigarettes do the same thing, but they stink and nasty. Vape is clean, it has fruit flavors so it actually smells nice rather than tobacco. Nicotine is a small stimulator of dopamine, but its not as real stimulants. It helps thinking, and gives a bit of a calm, or a stimulant effect. Many people smoke during or after a stressful event, because of the effect nicotine has. It can be both, stimulating, or calming. I've seen people at the end of the day, after work, sit down outside a smoke a big cigar for an hour. That's the.....it's a reward sensation, but its not like hard drugs. Think of caffeine, it helps you wake up in the morning, then about 4 hours later is when it wears off and feel tired, and out of sorts. Needing another coffee. Same with nicotine but it only lasts for about 30 min or less. I've smoked a cigar before, i didnt think much of it. But if you think back in 1800s and early 1900s, wealthy men or men's clubs would have cigars and brandy, or bourgon after dinner. There both a reward feeling, brandy, alcohol but different types of alcohol have different effects. You know like the smoke rooms, where wealthy or just light up and indulge after dinner.

The thing is, it's a bumper, then after it leaves, some people just smoke a cig in the morning, then a cigg before bed. And then there's chain smokers who smoke almost all the time, 3-4 packs a day for continuous nicotine deliverly. Rarely see chain smokers anymore, because of all the anti-smoking ads.

So yes, but i have to say, it does help somewhat with thinking and concentration even though it is no way close, to methylphenidate. When you smoke, or continuously have nicotine intake, it slightly enhances concentration and some motivation, slight dopamine release. Not like caffeine.

anyways, i just realized that, posting back to you. Thank you for you post

 

Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 20, 2020, at 22:44:56

In reply to Re: nicotine enhancment and dependence, posted by undopaminergic on January 20, 2020, at 4:45:47

yes its not ... its totally different, caffeine is reinforcing, cup of coffee in the morning has long been a tradition. But freud, i'm not sure....but i read he did cocaine while writing some of his work, in psychology today. I guess all that dopamine high increase surged his thoughts, and analysis. But don't understand why, because it makes you high, and when your write things under the influence of major stimulant, it changes the brain behavior. Not sure he wrote the entire psychology book high on cocaine, please don't be offended by that - that's just a thought. Because was a regular user of it.


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