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Posted by iforgotmypassword on September 8, 2007, at 8:52:20
i'm using the word "damage" relatively, in reference to how it is used a lot in reference to ect.
looking up ect anaesthetics, is it true that their effects are dependant on GABA-A activity. doesn't that give them something in common with taking a benzo with ect, practically.
discuss?
Posted by sam123 on September 8, 2007, at 10:07:09
In reply to synergy with anaesthetic necessary for ect damage?, posted by iforgotmypassword on September 8, 2007, at 8:52:20
ECT was used a lot in the 60's, caused huge memory loss, and patients undergoing ECT received no medications prior to having ECT.
Posted by Phillipa on September 8, 2007, at 11:08:45
In reply to Re: synergy with anaesthetic necessary for ect dam, posted by sam123 on September 8, 2007, at 10:07:09
You mean they didn't get an anesthetic just got zapped? Nothing no IV relaxant? Phillipa
Posted by sam123 on September 8, 2007, at 13:46:58
In reply to Re: synergy with anaesthetic necessary for ect dam » sam123, posted by Phillipa on September 8, 2007, at 11:08:45
> You mean they didn't get an anesthetic just got zapped? Nothing no IV relaxant? Phillipa
The paralytic came later. People broke teeth and otherwise ingured themselves due to the convulsions.My understanding is yes, early on they were just shocked. During a convulsion you are not awake or aware, that is one effect of seizure activity across the whole brain, both sides.
http://large-group.org/babble/19990628/msgs/8337.html
Anesthesia is a broad term so i am not sure
what GABA agent we are talking about here. However, benzos came way after ECT was first used.
They also are used as antiseizure meds, atavan
is the drug of choice for seizure emergency's.
Not something to use if the goal is a seizure.My understanding is ECT is done with
inhaled general anesthetic agents and a
paralytic agent.
Posted by med_empowered on September 9, 2007, at 8:50:57
In reply to Re: synergy with anaesthetic necessary for ect dam, posted by sam123 on September 8, 2007, at 13:46:58
Yup...ECT has never been good for the brain. It used to be called EST (Electro-Shock-Treatment), and was understood to induce brain damage; this whole "ECT is awesome for your brain" revisionism started in the 70s/80s. It was also referred to as "annihilation therapy," if that gives you any indication of the sorts of results shrinks were pursuing.
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