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Posted by med_empowered on April 3, 2007, at 22:36:41
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » bassman, posted by Phillipa on April 3, 2007, at 20:03:01
what? of all docs, a SHRINK should know that anytime a BZD is used for 4 weeks or more, you at least need to taper. And...if its going to dx'd, you need to have a conversation; they shouldn't just say "umm, no more" and leave you hanging. Lame.
Anyway, I say quit the other meds if you want to, but do get some xanax or something. Call a family doc, do what you gotta do.
Other babblers would know more about this but..can't you report this guy? I mean, SERIOUSLY--docs have known for 30+years that a gradual taper is necessary. This is unprofessional, potentially harmful, and seems like a ploy to maintain control, like linkadge said. This sort of behavior is NOT ok.
Posted by linkadge on April 4, 2007, at 9:51:11
In reply to Ummm...., posted by med_empowered on April 3, 2007, at 22:36:41
If worse comes to worst, just make a trip to the hospital. That is, if the anxety becomes a big problem and you have no xanax and are going through withdrawl.
Linkadge
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 14:09:31
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » TheMeanReds, posted by Phillipa on April 3, 2007, at 14:41:35
Phillipa, yes I've read some of your benzo 'swap switches and quits' threads. I also have noticed that you write about benzos alot.
I was on 2mg Xanax a day, and when I was double stressed I took 4mg a day.
My diagnosis is BPII, GAD, and mild OCD.
I did not tell my doctor of my stopping all meds, because if he has been listening to anything I've said in the past 3 months, it would be a given:
1. Lamictal for BPII.
2. Benzo to counter act the panic caused by Lamictal. And for situational panic/anxiety.
3. Seroquel to counter act the insomnia caused by Lamictal.Did he make any mental notes? Write this down? The guy does calculus in his head. I shouldnt have to explain my med situation to him.
I took my last Xanax just about an hour ago. So I am being able to be at the computer, and type w/o feeling nausiated. I will most likely mail you. Thankx for your support.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 14:17:45
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » TheMeanReds, posted by Racer on April 3, 2007, at 14:59:45
I'm not sure what his reasoning is. Maybe that I have become addicted. I've only been using it for a month, in replacement of klonopin that caused depression.
He actually said to me after I explained all of the unusual stress triggers that had been happening, 'What, were you raped?', in a highly sarcastic tone, as if I need to be raped or half beaten to death to take more Xanax. What a jerk.
I tried to taper off klonopin w/o another benzo and it was a hellish experience. So I know I'm in for hell with dropping Xanax.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 14:27:04
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face, posted by linkadge on April 3, 2007, at 15:34:16
Yes it sure could be about control. His tone over the phone was uncalled for.
I've been seeing him for 5 years. I was one of his first patients. I Maybe the only one that has been seeing him this long.
He puts little insults into my sessions like: 'You look like you are my age', which means I look around 10 years older than my real age.
Another, I was happy my face was clear of acne scares, and I said 'look its cleared up!', very happy and more self confident about the situation. He said in return 'your face looks chubby'.
Is he trying to make me obsesse about my physical appearance? What the hell?
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 14:39:10
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face, posted by Quintal on April 3, 2007, at 15:56:44
He never gave any other options on the phone, other than to come and see him the next day at noon. I couldnt get there because of my DMV situation. And my sisters starter was out. I dont have a car. He knows all of this.
My next appointment is on the 12th. I have no idea exactly what mental state I will be in. I hope Im not trembling like a little scared rabbit who wont leave the house.
I know what you mean about the fear. I will be moving soon and will need to deal with change. Im excited to move to another location, the physical moving its self will also be a challenge.
I wish I had my painting supplies with me. When I go off Lamictal my imagination comes back. I have a painting in my mind, laying out all my feeling towards him. Myabe Ill go into photoshop, it is quite a mental sight.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 14:48:19
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face, posted by bassman on April 3, 2007, at 17:16:06
He is the only doctor I can afford, I only pay him when I can. I used to trust him, now I dont know. I feel stabbed in the back. He gets me free meds all the time. He does have good will. He knows nearly every detail of my life from the past 5 years. My file is 2 inches thick.
I always have thoughts about wanting to move into the desert part of the state. And I always find myself thinking, I'm too dependent on him to move anywhere further. Then my stomache hurts.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 15:04:55
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » TheMeanReds, posted by saturn on April 3, 2007, at 17:47:18
I need to get a job. I had a horrible manic episode over the summer. I hastily quit my job and lived off my bank cash. Then thought if my BF moved in rent and everything would be cheaper for both of us.
He moved in, and put stuff everywhere. Shot glasses on my wine rack (OCD), A stupid little 'Big Boy' piggy bank on the bedroom dresser. He wouldnt move it. I told him it was knawing at my eyes. I used to work at frisches as a teen. I dont need a damn piggy bank in my bedroom to remind me everyday. AHHHH!!!!
It really all came down to me flipping out over the stupid Big boy piggy bank. I started an arguement it ended with me pushing him out the door, and saying get yourself and your stuff out! He walked away, I ripped the Big Boys head off and threw it out the door.
So I lost everything I had. Job, Apartment, Car, furniture, anything big. Over a damn Big Boy piggy bank. I've now become a minimalist.
I've been looking for another job for months. Nothing ever comes to surface. So I need to keep trucking for a job. The rejection I have gotten in the past gets me down.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 15:17:19
In reply to Ummm...., posted by med_empowered on April 3, 2007, at 22:36:41
Yes I'm really pissed off at him. I dont know If I will report him, he has gotten me through tough times in the past, finacially and mentally. He did my taxes for me. I would feel bad. I feel slapped in the face, but cannot bite the hand that feeds.
He gave me almost 1 years worth of Lamictal at one time. I litterally have fistfulls of Lamictal. Isnt that irresponsible of him? Even more than my 'badly' taking double doses of Xanax? But I suppose he thinks he is above making mistakes.
He told me I should call the police about all the things that are stressing me out. Yeah, like the fuzz is going to help my anxiety.
Now I'm more stressed about his ethics effecting my daily life, than all the other stressful things in my first post in this thread. UGH.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 15:22:48
In reply to Re: Ummm...., posted by linkadge on April 4, 2007, at 9:51:11
Yes I sort of did that when I tried to quit klonopin cold turkey, well I ran out, and couldnt get more, because of sickness of withdrawls.
Always call the pharm well before you run out. I learned that lesson the hard way. I went to the Hospitol, and told the doc my symptoms. He gave me Codiene Cough Syrup. LOL. I felt guilty feeling like a junky, and didnt tell him the real situation.
Posted by Declan on April 4, 2007, at 15:57:35
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » Quintal, posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 14:39:10
The thing that got me off methadone was that I *detested* the way I was treated and would rather be dead than have to put up with it for the whole of my life.
Meanreds....I would hate my doctor too....but perhaps you can, to some extent, turn a positive into a negative by the way you handle this.
You just need *some* benzos.
Posted by bassman on April 4, 2007, at 16:15:34
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » TheMeanReds, posted by Declan on April 4, 2007, at 15:57:35
That is such an incredibly mature post...after reading the posts, I just want to strangle the %$#! This is classic manipulation: get the person to think you really care and then pull the rug out from under them. Just about all of us react by becoming fearful little children. And that MF knows that. All the "nice" stuff in the past was just part of The Plan, whether conscious or not on his part.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 16:27:05
In reply to A Slap In The Face, posted by TheMeanReds on April 3, 2007, at 13:01:05
http://picasaweb.google.com/mathwrathbath/MentalCase
Just looks how I feel right now.
Posted by bassman on April 4, 2007, at 16:40:27
In reply to Painting of Feelings, posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 16:27:05
Stop it!! You're just on the wrong side of the pdoc couch! You're reactions to the situation are to be expected and are "normal". Don't internalize your doc's actions so that they make you feel bad about yourself.
Posted by Declan on April 4, 2007, at 16:45:13
In reply to Painting of Feelings, posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 16:27:05
It seems so nice and calm and orderly...colourful certainly, with admittedly the suggestion of a (colourful) prison.
Or an expensive hotel in India.But I've always expected the worst.
Posted by Declan on April 4, 2007, at 16:47:51
In reply to Painting of Feelings, posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 16:27:05
Maybe not that expensive.
Posted by Quintal on April 4, 2007, at 16:57:55
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » TheMeanReds, posted by Declan on April 4, 2007, at 15:57:35
>The thing that got me off methadone was that I *detested* the way I was treated and would rather be dead than have to put up with it for the whole of my life.
I'd almost forgotten that when Klonopin was prescribed (many moons ago) one GP in particular would always comment "You can't stay on these drugs for the rest of your life you know". It used to make me feel like a piece of human sh*t, and I used to worry so much that one day they'd just refuse to give me another script it almost undid any benefit Klonopin was having on my anxiety.
It is a relief to know that nobody can abuse me in that way again.
Q
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 17:07:01
In reply to Re: Painting of Feelings, posted by Declan on April 4, 2007, at 16:47:51
The fuzziness in the back ground are my past feelings of my therapy and my feeling of different meds being thrown into the mix. First grey and dull, then full of hope, then a wreck of bloodiness, past loves, then on down blackness washes over the other feelings. And yes the cage is the spreading of withdrawls around the situation. And warps my perception of the past, present and future.
Posted by linkadge on April 4, 2007, at 18:10:06
In reply to Re: Ummm.... » linkadge, posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 15:22:48
One doctor I was with had me on clonzepam, which at the time, was really the only med that was keeping me from going totally nuts.
The doctor wanted me off of it, and gave me a week or something.
I argued but, in the end I just went to the hospital saying I thought I was going to have a seizure, and having panic attacks etc. I told them my doctor took me off clonazepam, and that we weren't seeing eye to eye.
Anyhow, they gave me clonazepam, and found me a new doctor who would prescribe benzos. So how about that?
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on April 4, 2007, at 18:24:01
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » Declan, posted by Quintal on April 4, 2007, at 16:57:55
>"You can't stay on these drugs for the rest of >your life you know".
Isn't that so stupid?
I mean, they have no problem getting you hooked on 600mg of paxil, yet you can't be on a theraputic dose of a benzo long term.
Whats up? Has everbody gone mad? I thought we had seen past this? Are there doctors out there that honestly still believe SSRI's are less addicting than benzo's??
Its just like my mother's new psychiatrist. She has been on bromazepam at the same dose for years (15+), and now the doctor wants her off that and on effexor for her anxiety.
I ran into the same thing when I was in the hospital. A lady there did fine on serax for anxiety, yet some doctor wanted her off that and on paxil. She kept telling them that the paxil was making the anxiety worse, yet the dose went up and up. Eventually she had to go to the hospital where someone decided to take her off the paxil (80mg in 2 weeks...heh), and onto a benzo again.
When will doctors learn to just leave well enought alone, and quit trying to upgrade people.
The smart doctors know that "protocol" is just a transient fad.
So what if they give some people a little bit of a buzz. Antidepressants give some people a buzz too.And of course benzo's are a crutch. All psych meds a crutches.
Linkadge
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 19:02:03
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » TheMeanReds, posted by Declan on April 4, 2007, at 15:57:35
Yes the more time passes, the more the angst passes. I just need to decide for myself wether or not to see this doctor again. I still have a chance on the 12th.
I dont want to see him out of desperation, because he will put me on anything that he wants because I want relief so badly. He wont prescribe a benzo without augmentation of an AD.
I may be able to stick it out, and end up in the hospital. And they dont require upfront payment, which I dont have, or insurance.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 19:08:35
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » Declan, posted by Quintal on April 4, 2007, at 16:57:55
Yes my doctor said himself that I'd probably develope a pill habit, and that its ok if its long term and if its keeping me sane. But having seemingly no control in the situation is disturbing for me.
Posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 19:12:36
In reply to Re: Ummm.... » TheMeanReds, posted by linkadge on April 4, 2007, at 18:10:06
I do have a small stash of klonopin left from a month ago. I feel like I'm running out of energy. I cant smoke or drink coffee anymore, itll set my heart off.
I spoke with my father last night. He said I'm not mentally ill, and do not need to be on 7 different pills at once anyway. But hes never been so depressed that he cannot get out of bed.
Posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2007, at 20:16:11
In reply to Re: Ummm...., posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 19:12:36
Mean Reds I just finished reading the whole thread. This doc is sick. He's the one who sounds mentally unstable. Telling you look old? Downing you all the time. That is cruelty. I would report him. And you must if you're bipolar get some meds in you. I seriously suggest the hospital and tell them what has happened to you and request admission. I had a similar experience as it's in reverse I was in the hospital the pdoc there thought I should be off benzos after 35years? I don't think so . Anyway when discharged a week later I had to go to a neurologist my BP was sky high and jumping body so bad. The neurologist said get a benzo friendly pdoc and wrote a month's worth of scripts for me. I did know one my last pdoc who is liberal with them. Now I have the new one who is too. Love Phillipa/Jan
Posted by linkadge on April 4, 2007, at 20:28:51
In reply to Re: A Slap In The Face » Quintal, posted by TheMeanReds on April 4, 2007, at 19:08:35
But what is a pill habit? I mean taking AD's is a habbit.
Linkadge
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