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Posted by willyee on March 13, 2006, at 16:27:36
Hey tyler remeber how worried ur were prior to ur re-start of parnate,dident we tell u to chill and see,now look haha just please dont call urself the PARNATE CHAMP lol dont ask me why but name of any med just i dont know is something when i was young youd say and everyone would look around and ud get a CORNY smack.
But it definatly shows ur responding to the drug,thats great,just remeber we are all not gonna find it to be such a wonder,im glad u havent crossed that line yet.
I did and do at times feel it helps there,but more so general depression.......i unforuntaly have to augment it to get the social effects,here are just some of the things i have had help me assist with the social aspect that parnate for ME doesent touch......
Klonopin.....however depressing recomend using with drop of deprenyl or even caffiene.
Most gaba meds,Nuerotion at a time or other,in conjuntion with a benzo.Kava kava.....old,since the taking off the shelves of the majority of it the few products left have NOT brought the profound relieaf even a old cheap bottle of walgreens kava once did.
GHB/XYREM.......Theres a million reasons why this cant be used to often.
Taurine.....over the counter
Caffiene........alone or with liquid deprenyl.xanax......duh lol
Prob a lot more but i have used a hybrid of meds but there is always a social issue,one hard thing i personaly find about treating the social issue is being able to do so with out getting high,to get where u want to be,social talktative etc,sometimes u border being drunk o high.
Posted by tessellated on March 13, 2006, at 16:53:33
In reply to Tyler lol......., posted by willyee on March 13, 2006, at 16:27:36
willyee,
are you saying xyrem use is more problematic than a benzo?
Posted by willyee on March 14, 2006, at 4:18:21
In reply to Re: Tyler lol......., posted by tessellated on March 13, 2006, at 16:53:33
Like a mood stablizer to a benzo,the two for me arent comparable.
What i meant though is xyrem when not taken for a week or two,provides for me a very smooth anti-anxiety.pro social effect,u feel like hey i can actual live with this.
This seems to last a week.Then it seems to actualy become DIRTY,its onset no longer comes on smooth,it either comes on with the right dose,or it does nothing.
The feeling isnt always guraneted pleaseant any more,intense still,but in a bad mood this could be bad,worsen moods make one very emotionaly.Then unlike the begining the come down is strong,u feel u need a benzo QUICK,anxiety appears,and depression after.One thing i can say opposed to the addiction theory is in these cases my use of it becomes infreqeuent again slowly till im where its been over a week or two once more.
I rember the big problem i had was when it works,u make plans,ur gonna do this and that,and if it stops ur left with a lot of people who ur not just gonna tell ur situation,so unfortunatly u loose a friend as they understandgly take it personal,ive lost many possable girlfriends and plain friends alike.
I try to wear a band around my wrist when i feel good to remind my self to slow down and dont go tackling the world,im still deep in the woods.
But this is just my exper on xyrem,when it works its still a lil dangerous cause u get cocky and u dont feel ur even ill anymore at all,and if its not working,and ur in a bad mood,watch out ur feelings are IMMENSE and u will be ready to tear out walls.This is all just my own exper,so its just another tool for now as i hope one day to find something consisent.
Posted by TylerJ on March 14, 2006, at 11:39:05
In reply to Tyler lol......., posted by willyee on March 13, 2006, at 16:27:36
> Hey tyler remeber how worried ur were prior to ur re-start of parnate,dident we tell u to chill and see,now look haha just please dont call urself the PARNATE CHAMP lol dont ask me why but name of any med just i dont know is something when i was young youd say and everyone would look around and ud get a CORNY smack.
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> But it definatly shows ur responding to the drug,thats great,just remeber we are all not gonna find it to be such a wonder,im glad u havent crossed that line yet.
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> I did and do at times feel it helps there,but more so general depression.......i unforuntaly have to augment it to get the social effects,here are just some of the things i have had help me assist with the social aspect that parnate for ME doesent touch......
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> Klonopin.....however depressing recomend using with drop of deprenyl or even caffiene.
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> Most gaba meds,Nuerotion at a time or other,in conjuntion with a benzo.
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> Kava kava.....old,since the taking off the shelves of the majority of it the few products left have NOT brought the profound relieaf even a old cheap bottle of walgreens kava once did.
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> GHB/XYREM.......Theres a million reasons why this cant be used to often.
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> Taurine.....over the counter
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> Caffiene........alone or with liquid deprenyl.
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> xanax......duh lol
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> Prob a lot more but i have used a hybrid of meds but there is always a social issue,one hard thing i personaly find about treating the social issue is being able to do so with out getting high,to get where u want to be,social talktative etc,sometimes u border being drunk o high.-------------------------------
Don't worry, I'm not gunna call myself "The Parnate Champ" or anything similar...I'll remain Tyler. Man, when I take my first dose in the a.m., 1/2 hr. later it starts to work and it feels sooo Good. I love that surge. I used to drink A LOT, also smoked some grass...but I've never had any drug feel as good as Parnate!
But my situation isn't perfect..I struggle with occasional severe insomnia, which sucks. I'm going to talk to my doc, which do you like better Ambien or Lunesta?How are you doing? Did you find a new/dif pdoc? hope so. And, what are your plans? EMSAM? Something else? Hang in there Willyee, and let me know what's going on with you.
Tyler
Posted by tessellated on March 14, 2006, at 18:52:59
In reply to Re: Tyler lol....... » willyee, posted by TylerJ on March 14, 2006, at 11:39:05
Guys,
I think we should start a fan club.
I got a script about a week ago and shot up to 80 the second day. And have only slept two nights since. I started a thread.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060310/msgs/619892.html
If you guys can i'd appreciate feedback.Now I'm something of a geek, i have a biofeedback device and have meditated since childhood. So what i noticed was this distinct sensation of activity all around the middle center of my brain, that wasn't there before. It felt i suddenly had turned a telegraph line into the brooklyn bridge.
Moreover, i had several forms of recreational substances around i had been using as stop gap antidepressants. When I took these alone, i could feel the distinct sensation almost pressure applied to a part of my brain in the center and to the left like in the middle of my head just below my ear. On parnate, everything is like 10xmore potent, but i can't feel that acute isolated anatomical structure anymore. i assume is my ventral tegmental dopamine button. Basically my impulse to self medicate is almost anihilated.
I used it xyrem after my father passed away. During the 3rd xyrem withdrawal (and our invasion of iraq). I think I understood what it was doing to me. I think its similar to parnate in that it has an empathogenic quality. I was uncontrollable empathic, to near total absurdity. I'd could fall apart perceiving any organism in pain. It has a touch of hallucinogenic effects as well-so everything became spiritually, intellectually, emotionally intense and i think contributed to a gnarly case of gastritis/GERD.
I feel similarly with parnate, but on parnate i can actuallize things more. though it seems like i'm spending my whole life on this board :)
I think you've created some sort of hypersensitivity for yourself-duh. Only longer breaks will be likely (in my experience) to let those receptors readjust. ..
I think I noticed side effects from xyrem lasted perhaps six months. Though its hard to isolate its effects from my own depression etc...I almost think that this is my pattern.. Six months on something, then 2months off, then six months on again. Like parnate.
ps: my source for online parnate is open for biz again and like a third the cost of the stuff here.l8
A
Posted by willyee on March 15, 2006, at 13:50:56
In reply to Parnate and my brain, posted by tessellated on March 14, 2006, at 18:52:59
Unfortunaly a mess now,the parnate just inst lasting,the effect comes on,and fades.
Due to a fancy new oven that doesent even heat i think i had some undercooked meat and had a reaction headache,the other night i struggled and def used all my strenth i had,fighting off a interaction headache and depression at the same time.
Why? cause i know if i go to ER they will send me to the psych hospital which i do not want to go.A hospital with no actual docters is scary to me.
Anyway im just swinging at air now,trying to hang in there hoping friday when i get my ambien finaly i can start a solid sleep pattern,then i will decide if i want to add liq deprenyl like i did last time.That worked but i couldent sleep at all,i dont know im just wishinh the parnate worked like it once did,i get 45 min tops off the med.I also cant seem to fight off sleep upon taking it.
Posted by tessellated on March 15, 2006, at 15:37:24
In reply to Re: Parnate and my brain, posted by willyee on March 15, 2006, at 13:50:56
willyee,
what's you dosage? how long you been on it?
i have found it a seriously hard med to manage.
i would bet that the sleeplessness is more due to other benzo/sedative w/drawl. i found myself anxious and lethargic upon withdrawl, sleeping a lot rather than little, but thats just me...i suppose you're on the fence. either up it or taper eh?
i would say considering you sound rather rough, that tapering youself would be preferrable, just to figure out who you are underneath all the chems....i had to do that several times myself. you can always come back.
Posted by willyee on March 15, 2006, at 18:15:58
In reply to Parnate and my brain, posted by tessellated on March 14, 2006, at 18:52:59
Your p.s....please email me [xxx]
that is a major factor of the problem is i was in a program where i recieved x amount of parnate,now im under an insurance plan where x has changed dramaticaly and its seriously destroying me.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 16, 2006, at 1:22:36
In reply to Re: Parnate and my brain, posted by willyee on March 15, 2006, at 18:15:58
> Your p.s....please email me [xxx]
Please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription. Sorry, but I'm going to block you from posting for 2 weeks again.
But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
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