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Posted by D minor on May 2, 2005, at 0:16:17
If you're Bipolar, can ADs cause depression? Does anyone know of any web sites that show research linking AD with mood instability or depression. Thanks
dm
Posted by cubbybear on May 2, 2005, at 5:13:06
In reply to Can ADs CAUSE Depression?, posted by D minor on May 2, 2005, at 0:16:17
> If you're Bipolar, can ADs cause depression? Does anyone know of any web sites that show research linking AD with mood instability or depression. Thanks
>
> dmI'm not bipolar, but I believe that the RIMA anti-depressant Moclobemide made my depression worse.
By the way, I like your code name. Are you a musician?
cubbybear
Posted by pedrito on May 2, 2005, at 10:28:19
In reply to Can ADs CAUSE Depression?, posted by D minor on May 2, 2005, at 0:16:17
I have major depression (I think) and pretty much every AD I've taken (SSRIs, TriCyclics, Novel) have made me feel more depressed initially. All my T's have never heard of this happening before.
In fact, when I started Reboxetine, I had literally non-stop suicidal thoughts for 2 weeks. That was quite unpleasant.
There is a growing body of evidence/thought that ADs can "provoke" suicide in some very depressed patients since it gives them the get-up-and-go to actually do it. Which, whilst ironic, is kinda sad.
Sorry that this doesn't directly address your question i.e. w.r.t. being Bipolar, but it's vaguely pertinent.
pedrito
Posted by Maxime on May 2, 2005, at 13:39:24
In reply to Can ADs CAUSE Depression?, posted by D minor on May 2, 2005, at 0:16:17
> If you're Bipolar, can ADs cause depression? Does anyone know of any web sites that show research linking AD with mood instability or depression. Thanks
>
> dmYes. There has been a lot of coverage about SSRI making depression worse, causing rage and suicidal thoughts. I bet if you "goggled" prozac and suicide you would come up with a lot.
Lamictal, the mood stabiliser, made me more depressed and I had to stop it.
What ADs have you been on?
You know D Minor, sometimes your doctor does and says strange things .... especially his latest theory. Have you thought about seeing someone else? Because he doesn't sound like the smartest feller.
Maxime
Posted by D minor on May 2, 2005, at 16:55:03
In reply to Re: Can ADs CAUSE Depression?, posted by Maxime on May 2, 2005, at 13:39:24
Thanks, Yes! I am a musician. I play guitar, mostly.
I don't know, what else has my pdoc said, I forget. Anyway, I'm moving is 20 days so I'll be getting a new pdoc soon.
My AD history is as follows:
Nortrityline
Celexa
Effexor
Remeron
Zoloft
Wellburtin
CymbaltaIs that a lot or what?
The nortriptylne I was on before I was diagnosed for migrain head aches. Maybe that helped to precipitate my big first major episode. I actually tried to kill myself on the Celexa after two weeks of therapy. The drug or my depression? Who knows. Cheerie though, huh?
Maybe I'd better do well enough alone with the ADs.dm
Posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2005, at 19:16:45
In reply to My AD history- cubbybear, Maxime, posted by D minor on May 2, 2005, at 16:55:03
Maybe your new pdoc will have some new insight. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on May 2, 2005, at 20:39:31
In reply to My AD history- cubbybear, Maxime, posted by D minor on May 2, 2005, at 16:55:03
It was probably a combination of both (or not). But Celexa is an SSRI and they are known for causing depression and suicidal thoughts or attempts. Prozac is the one that gets all the press attention, but any SSRI can do it. It's even in the warnings on the patient inserts.
I am very glad you will be seeing a pdoc. You should write a history down and bring it with you. I brought an Excel spreadsheet with me to see my psychopharmacologist and listed the med, the side effects, the dosage, and the final outcome (whether I stayed on it or not). Then I did another spreedsheet that grouped all the meds I had been on by classification. I'm surprised he didn't ask me if I had ever been DX'd with OCD (I even had color coding going on!). I also put in when I had been hospitalised and suicide attempts. I made his job easy.
Maxime
> Thanks, Yes! I am a musician. I play guitar, mostly.
>
> I don't know, what else has my pdoc said, I forget. Anyway, I'm moving is 20 days so I'll be getting a new pdoc soon.
>
> My AD history is as follows:
> Nortrityline
> Celexa
> Effexor
> Remeron
> Zoloft
> Wellburtin
> Cymbalta
>
> Is that a lot or what?
>
> The nortriptylne I was on before I was diagnosed for migrain head aches. Maybe that helped to precipitate my big first major episode. I actually tried to kill myself on the Celexa after two weeks of therapy. The drug or my depression? Who knows. Cheerie though, huh?
> Maybe I'd better do well enough alone with the ADs.
>
> dm
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