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Posted by ismeansis on January 26, 2001, at 16:07:37
Often in years gone by I've taken amphetamines and related drugs (Preludin, etc., etc.). Were it not for the terrible side effects of such drugs (such as becoming way too high, seeing bugs on the skin and on the bed sheets, crash depression, disturbingly strong euphoria, and so forth), they would be nice for depression.
The side effects are very much there, however.
I've taken many antidepressants, such as Paxil, Prozac, Wellbutrin (that is, bupropion - maybe the best so far, as it causes me no sleepiness and seems to be helpful), Elavil, and on and on. Really, though, I think the best antidepressant has been phentermine (phentermine resin, whatever). I've obtained this from a diet doctor, at twice the usual initial dose for dieting. Phentermine is like the big-time amphetamines, except that it is much milder. (It would not seem all that mild, especially at first, to anyone who hasn't taken straight amphetamine.) If you're like me, you can't stay up for days and days as you can on Dexedrine and Preludin, say. Phentermine has less "edge," I'd call it. Also, it's excitant and its euphoric effects, less powerful to begin with, quickly become quite moderate and easily bearable.
Phentermine, for me, is an excellent antidepressant. Its antidepressant effects continue even after you've used it for a long while and its wakefulness and other usually noted stimulant effects have pretty much disappeared.
I did see one post say that the PDR (book of ads and prescribing info for doctors) lists phentermine for appetite control only. Who cares about that? Doctors have no obligation to abide by prescription views of the PDR.
Anyway, does anybody know of any doctors in Orange County (or even in Los Angeles County), CA, who are perfectly comfortable prescribing amphetaminelike drugs for depression. If they are okay with prescribing amphetamine, I ought to be able to persuade them to prescribe the much milder and much more sensible phentermine.
Please answer me at my email address, with a reminding ref to this post, if you have helpful info. (By the way, if I said anything to offend or annoy you, I take it back. I was wrong and you are right, so let's be peaceful.)
Incidentally, the problem with getting phentermine from diet "doctors" is cost. I used to pay something like $80 per month for the double dose of phentermine. I prefer to get drugs via my insurance at $5 a month.
Posted by stjames on January 26, 2001, at 19:10:40
In reply to Phentermine and Amphetamine and Depression, posted by ismeansis on January 26, 2001, at 16:07:37
> Often in years gone by I've taken amphetamines and related drugs (Preludin, etc., etc.). Were it not for the terrible side effects of such drugs (such as becoming way too high, seeing bugs on the skin and on the bed sheets, crash depression, disturbingly strong euphoria, and so forth), they would be nice for depression.
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James here.....If you have been having the above problems then you clearly are abusing stims.
James
Posted by Marie1 on January 28, 2001, at 15:59:31
In reply to Phentermine and Amphetamine and Depression, posted by ismeansis on January 26, 2001, at 16:07:37
I'm interested to see that someone else shares my views on phentermine. I've been self-medicating for chronic depression with phentermine for years, along with Prozac. I'd always notice a defnite mood decrease if I was using Prozac alone. I quit using it last spring (source dried up) and developed major depression. Just a coincidence? Got the major depression under control with Prozac and Buspar, but then felt "blah" and "I don't care" for months. Finally began taking phentermine again around 3 wks ago, and I'm finally back to being me again. I asked on another site what neurotransmitters phentermine works on and was told it increases dopamine. This surprised me because I had thought it worked on serotonin, and I was therefore a little concerned about serotonin syndrome. There seems to be so much guesswork re: antidepressants, I really think that given the seriousness and totally life wrecking consequenses of the disease, if something works to make me feel better mentally and there are no serious side effects (i.e., an informed decision) the choice of taking it or not should be up to me.
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